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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2009, 08:02:28 PM »

I photoshoped my desktop so you can see what everything is.

Wait a minute.... you hate DRM but love Steam??  Huh  I'm confused... Steam is the ultimate DRM scheme.  Your screenshot kinda got it right, though: Steam is the dark cloud hanging over your game-playing rights.  Angry
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2009, 08:10:03 PM »

I photoshoped my desktop so you can see what everything is.

Wait a minute.... you hate DRM but love Steam??  Huh  I'm confused... Steam is the ultimate DRM scheme.  Your screenshot kinda got it right, though: Steam is the dark cloud hanging over your game-playing rights.  Angry

No...Steam may have DRM, but it isn't limited DRM.  I can play my games on any computer, and even share my games with my friends.  It isn't really bad DRM.  The DRM that annoys me is more in Music and Videos.  I stopped paying for music altogether just because of iTunes DRM. If I payed for my music, why shouldn’t I be able to use it the way I want to? It just doesn’t make sense and it is probably the only real reason I am subconsciously against Apple computers. Now I just get my music for free, and I can use it for way more things. I have even illegally downloaded music that I already bought, just to use it the way I want to.
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2009, 08:40:11 PM »

I photoshoped my desktop so you can see what everything is.

Wait a minute.... you hate DRM but love Steam??  Huh  I'm confused... Steam is the ultimate DRM scheme.  Your screenshot kinda got it right, though: Steam is the dark cloud hanging over your game-playing rights.  Angry

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No...Steam may have DRM, but it isn't limited DRM.

What do you mean by "limited DRM"?  Huh

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I can play my games on any computer, and even share my games with my friends.

I can do that as well with non-DRM games, and without any limitations.  What Steam allows is for your friends to demo a game for three days.  But a good game demo is enough to allow your friends to decide whether or not the game is good enough to buy.

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It isn't really bad DRM.

It really is. Allow me to explain:

  • You must have an internet connection to "be allowed" to play the game.  Otherwise you can't play the game on any computer even though you have the disk.
  • What happens when Steam goes out of business, or the website is unavailable?
  • What happens when Steam decides a game has reached its End Of Life?
  • What happens when someone hacks your account and you no longer have access to your games?
  • What happens if you try and play your game on dial-up only access?  Ever try to download a gigabyte over dial-up?
  • When you have completed a game and/or are no longer interested in the game, can you sell or give your game to someone else?
  • Despite trying, Steam doesn't have the right to change the AUP/TOS and force you to accept the new changes just so you can continue to play your game.
  • What recourse have you when Steam arbitrarily or accidentally decides you have violated your TOS/AUP and you no longer have access to your account and/or your games?

Now, let me ask you this: What about all the above, but in relation to having a non-DRM CD/DVD in your possession?

Yeah, the Steam DRM is that bad.  Wink

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The DRM that annoys me is more in Music and Videos.  I stopped paying for music altogether just because of iTunes DRM. If I payed for my music, why shouldn’t I be able to use it the way I want to? It just doesn’t make sense and it is probably the only real reason I am subconsciously against Apple computers. Now I just get my music for free, and I can use it for way more things. I have even illegally downloaded music that I already bought, just to use it the way I want to.

Again, I'm confused.  Merely get your music from iTunes, or wherever you want, legally, and remove the DRM.  If you purchase the music then you have the right to play it wherever and whenever you desire.  Simply break the DRM or download the same song from P2P.  It's less risky and easier to break the DRM, though.

BTW, I hate iTunes as much as anyone, and part of it is the DRM.  (It's supremely crappy software.. but so is everything Apple makes for a PC.)  But iTunes is far and away better than Steam when it comes to DRM.

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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2009, 10:54:17 PM »

What do you mean by "limited DRM"?  Huh
I meant unlimited.
What Steam allows is for your friends to demo a game for three days.  But a good game demo is enough to allow your friends to decide whether or not the game is good enough to buy.
What?  It lets them play the FULL games.  As long as I sign in to my account and log out when I'm done, Steam doesn't care.
It really is. Allow me to explain:
  • You must have an internet connection to "be allowed" to play the game.  Otherwise you can't play the game on any computer even though you have the disk.
No, you don't.  There is something called off line mode, which lets you play all your games without internet.  But why would that matter.  Everyone I know has internet access.  Even if I had a Laptop with no WiFi I would just run my games in off line mode.
  • What happens when Steam goes out of business, or the website is unavailable?
Valve has already declared that if they shut down Steam, there will still be a way for users to play their games.
  • What happens when Steam decides a game has reached its End Of Life?
What?  They never do that and never will.
  • What happens when someone hacks your account and you no longer have access to your games?
Really?  I'm not at all worried that someone would hack my frik'n Steam account. 
  • What happens if you try and play your game on dial-up only access?  Ever try to download a gigabyte over dial-up?
Well I don't have dial-up but if I did I suppose that would be a reason not to get Steam.
  • When you have completed a game and/or are no longer interested in the game, can you sell or give your game to someone else?
Actually you are allowed to gift your game to another Steam user.  You could do some under the table dealing there.
  • What recourse have you when Steam arbitrarily or accidentally decides you have violated your TOS/AUP and you no longer have access to your account and/or your games?
This will also never happen.  Never has and I don't think it ever will.
Again, I'm confused.  Merely get your music from iTunes, or wherever you want, legally, and remove the DRM.  If you purchase the music then you have the right to play it wherever and whenever you desire.  Simply break the DRM or download the same song from P2P.  It's less risky and easier to break the DRM, though.
Why would I buy them from iTunes and then look for an illegal program to remove the DRM.  I've tried it many times, but the programs always cost money or only work with older versions.  If you can find a good, free program that cracks iTunes DRM, give me the link.
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2009, 12:01:50 AM »

Steam is better than most DRM systems out there in that it adds more than it takes; match making, auto updates, online store, instant messenger, groups, free content, free game weekends, playing your games from any PC by logging into your account- all much better than SecuROM or StarForce, but there are also some valid issues:
  • Regional pricing and region locking - buy a steam game overseas, and it might not play when you get it home. Some games (or deals) aren't sold in some countries. Recently Europeans were up in arm because they were being charged the same number of Euros for a game as the US in dollars, despite having a better exchange rate.
  • Get banned, lose everything - If Valve bans your account you lose everything, not just the infringing game.
  • No second-hand sales - buy a game you don't like? too bad, it's yours. Gifts are only available on certain games, at certain times
  • Some games use both Steam's DRM along with their own

I do like and use Steam, it's a step in the right direction as far as DRM is concerned (give more than you take), but I'm not the starry-eyed acolyte I once was.
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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2009, 10:19:00 AM »

DRM on my steam?
don't believe you.
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2009, 11:19:45 AM »

Here Is my Desktop, sorry for the res im to lazy to tweak with it. the background is the wanted poster of John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Abraham Lincoln.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/Koolaidkid69_1/whatevs/Mywallpaper.jpg

List of Icons on Desktop+short description:

Starting top to bottom left to right

Recycle Bin
Mozilla Firefox
My sh*t: folder where i keep all my stuff
Unused desktop stuff: folder of things i don't use but wont delete the shortcut for.
Epson Scan: Scanner
Limewire
itunes
MalwareBytes: antivirus program
AresTube: Downloads FLV files from several video hosting sites.
Magix Movies on DVD 7: Windows movie maker on crack
Magix Goya burnr: burns DVDs
Audacity
Nero Startsmart
Lightscribe
Tube Sucker: youtube video downloader (same as ares but only for youtube)
Camstudio
CPD
CPD Levl pack 1
Enorphin Learning edition: Software used in mainstream games such as GTA 4 for behavioral physics animation (Endorphin was used for cut scenes Euphoria for game engine but same company)
Gimp2
Walkie tonky: Indie Game ( think i got it from the IGF page)
Zombie Images: Folder of zombie pictures
Photoshop 7.0
Atmosphir beta: google it
Wise Disk cleaner 3: Deletes temp files and other related stuff (helps speed up PC and frees up space)
Rapid Typing: Helps you to learn to type better, cause i type with four fingers and have to look at the keys the majority of the time. sad i know Cry
Spelunky: Awesome Indie game by Derek Yu
Knytt stories: interesting game 
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2009, 04:33:52 AM »

You must really like zombies; I assume you are an L4D fan...?
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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2009, 07:46:45 AM »

You must really like zombies; I assume you are an L4D fan...?

  I love zombies I have over 200 dollars in zombie movies.  Ive played left 4 Dead ounce but i was a lil bit out of it so i don't remember much, but im a huge fan of Half life 2 and adding zombies to the mix makes it so much more fun. (I don't count the Head crab zombies as zombies)
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2009, 09:53:10 PM »

I have a wallpaper! It shows exactly how immersed in fantasy I really am.
BTW these have almost all been Photoshopped off DeviantArt fanpics, so if you see something that's yours, DON'T HURT ME!!!!
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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2009, 06:08:39 AM »

This is my desktop. The vista background and the best software for my desktop.
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